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londons_explore 1 days ago [-]
Yandex is Russian Google.
Of course they have bots... That's how you index the web.
If we took Google offline I bet there would also be a reduction in bot traffic from them too!
Indexing is also probably a low priority task, so if half their datacenter capacity is taken offline, their bot traffic probably reduces by more than 50%.
cromka 1 days ago [-]
I don't think these are the boys they refer to?
EDIT: I was wrong, they're just generic bot vs human traffic numbers and you're right.
jquery 1 days ago [-]
This is devastating for Yandex. What does the SRE recovery plan even look like? “Raise shields”?
dlkasajiewo 24 hours ago [-]
Issue recommendation for management: exit the Ukrainian market to reduce physical cybersecurity risks.
londons_explore 22 hours ago [-]
"We should be able to handle a long term net-split" was always part of my emergency plan for every service I worked on. (ie. Imagine all Comms between the Americas and the rest of the world cut for weeks)
Pretty likely to happen if there is a major war or political upheaval to require the internet be cut in two. I didn't require the service had no downtime, but that it was reasonably possible to restore service within a few hours.
Things contributing to that are you should have either live data or a backup in similar geo location to the user. Both the data and the crypto keys. Same for the code. And you should build your service simple enough that someone else who has never seen it before can deploy it and get things at least mostly working. Things like terraform are good for that - and it dramatically reduces employee training too.
x______________ 17 hours ago [-]
> "We should be able to handle a long term net-split" was always part of my emergency plan for every service I worked on
Netsplits were also a common feature of IRC that we had to work around quite often.
michelb 1 days ago [-]
Activate the failover datacenters in orbit :)
spwa4 5 hours ago [-]
Meaning get those datacenters in a location where everyone can shoot at them, as opposed to merely capable neighbors that are physically close enough?
Great plan.
theplumber 1 days ago [-]
Put 90 percent energy into the shields!
verdverm 1 days ago [-]
Same for AWS Bahrain, data centers are dual use technologies now and valid military targets.
a quick fyi: in a total war everything is a valid military target, because economy backs up the military, and everything is economy.
verdverm 24 hours ago [-]
> a quick fyi: in a total war everything is a valid military target
this is not true, war crimes exist and have legal definitions, even in WW2 people pushed back on some things their government decided to do, like firebombing large civilian centers
hospitals and water facilities are easy examples, which Israel is very guilty of violating in recent years
rembal 23 hours ago [-]
I would just like to point out that the court that prosecutes war crimes was just hit with even more sanctions from the US, with the justification that "nobody will hurt American citizens", buy the guy who indirectly ordered the bombing of the school.
Legal definitions are pretty worthless if nobody gets prosecutesd.
smuhakg 23 hours ago [-]
> this is not true, war crimes exist and have legal definitions
That is why total wars are distinguished from a normal war. The concept that "all civilian infrastructure supports the war effort" is used in a total war to justify firebombing civilians.
thedrexster 23 hours ago [-]
> pushed back on some things their government decided to do, like firebombing large civilian centers
unless we're talking about, say, japan, where the firebombing campaigns killed more civilians than the two atomic bombs :P
verdverm 23 hours ago [-]
Dresden and Hamburg, by the UK and Americans, public outcry saw this tactic end
WW2 is arguably bad example because everyone was committing crimes against humanity, worst thing humans ever did do, and today we're doing a lot of the same things that got us there
Bewelge 18 hours ago [-]
Do you have any sources on this? Would be interesting to read that perspective. Coincidentally read an article [0] on the bombings of Hamburg 2 days ago. As far as I know it was the tactic the US and UK employed until the very end of the war. Dresden was 2-3 months before the end of the war. The bombing of Hamburg was 2 years earlier.
>data centers are dual use technologies now and valid military targets
proclaimed by who? Even the "international order" would disagree, as Yandex Cloud wasn't providing their services to any military companies per my knowledge.
Yandex Cloud was bombed symmetrically. Ukraine made no attempt in targeting MSK-IX, which could be a real military target.
sedan_baklazhan 23 hours ago [-]
Iranian girls school was allegedly bombed with direct AI assistance.
This fact alone makes any datacenter a valid target for Iran.
PunchyHamster 17 hours ago [-]
Well, hopefully it is in plans, online matchmaking in EU PvP games would be better overnight
testdelacc1 20 hours ago [-]
Datacenter hosts Russian bots that comment on western social media. Disrupting Russian propaganda online weakens the Russian military. A crushing defeat for Trump in the mid terms is a military boost for Ukraine.
londons_explore 18 hours ago [-]
But rehosting that stuff to Google or Amazon clouds is gonna take mere hours.
mikeyouse 16 hours ago [-]
Google and Amazon abide by US sanctions - if these are Russian firms, it’ll take much longer to get bespoke approval to pay AWS or GCP.. my org is smaller than those and we just outright banned Russian companies after Ukraine was invaded. Too much of a headache and too risky.
innocent_name 16 hours ago [-]
Trump derangement syndrome aside, you think those Yandex search bots are somehow being used in trollfarms? Mind sharing a proof?
Gigachad 11 hours ago [-]
You must be hosted on one of the remaining datacenters.
testdelacc1 13 hours ago [-]
New account, 36 karma. Come back when you’ve got a 1000 karma and I’ll take you seriously.
ptyyy 24 hours ago [-]
I'd like to see their business continuity plan lmao
beAbU 1 days ago [-]
Don't invade another country. Easy.
zorked 24 hours ago [-]
That would be devastating for the US datacenter industry.
jacquesm 21 hours ago [-]
On the contrary, they would flourish.
wredcoll 23 hours ago [-]
No it wouldn't.
expedition32 1 days ago [-]
Build data centers in politically stable countries.
Sure you cannot bribe anyone, actually have to pay taxes and can't install gas turbines but... they don't get blown up.
qingcharles 1 days ago [-]
Eh. I would call several of the Middle-East countries that got their data centers smushed as "politically stable." They just got into bed with the wrong ally, I guess?
rembal 23 hours ago [-]
They are not politically stable, quite the opposite: weak states held together by single sector revenues.
Right after Ukraine war started, I started maintaining a map of next flashpoints: got a hit on Arabian peninsula + Iran, Venezuela, India/ Pakistan.
Israel and Gaza were a surprise.
Eastern flank (Finland/ Baltics/ Poland/ Romania is in a slow burn.
Still waiting for Taiwan, south china sea and Singapore/Malaysia+ Indonesia - but that will be the big one, and actually the conflict for the straits (Malaca and Sunday) may have gotten invalidated by the Iran mess.
londons_explore 22 hours ago [-]
When the USA loses it's economic dominance, Alaska looks to be another warzone to me.
Lotsa oil, small population, hard to defend.
mschuster91 22 hours ago [-]
> I would call several of the Middle-East countries that got their data centers smushed as "politically stable."
That's the lie that the US and most other Western countries have told themselves ever since the discovery of oil turned what used to be nomads herding camels and catching fish into the thriving petrostates they are today.
Most of MENA is only stable on paper, that stability being heavily dependent on oil and gas production providing giant slush funds to citizens and a horde of exploited migrant and seasonal workers providing for daily needs. That's why they all went into tourism so hard over the last two-ish decades, they know that the fossil fuel reserves are eventually going to deplete and worldwide demand collapsing with them, and that's why everyone but Iran eventually made their peace with the existence of Israel despite sometimes heavy opposition of the population, and that's why there's still barely any opposition to the US and Israel waging war against Iran, and that's why most of MENA militaries but Iran and Israel's are utterly useless as well - a capable military would be able of coup'ing away the ruling kleptocracy.
And now the MENA countries are in for a wild ride. The Mullahs are sadly far from gone, the Western world is busy weaning itself off of oil and gas following the Russian aggression against Ukraine and the price shocks related to that plus the Iran war, tourists won't come back in meaningful numbers likely for a decade if not longer.
drnick1 22 hours ago [-]
> barely any opposition to the US and Israel waging war against Iran
It is in the interest of everyone in the region and the world to be rid of that brutal Islamist regime. The U.S. and Israel are doing God's work.
jacquesm 21 hours ago [-]
God does not exist, so you can't be doing god's work. But even if god did exist, you wouldn't be doing God's work by killing other people.
breezybottom 20 hours ago [-]
Every side believes they're doing God's work, that's the entire basis of the conflict.
locknitpicker 11 hours ago [-]
> The U.S. and Israel are doing God's work.
Google Maps on Gaza does shows a biblical scene. I'm sure everyone who ever perpetrated a massacre would argue they were doing gods work.
mschuster91 21 hours ago [-]
I agree, but the way they have gone at it is about the dumbest and incompetent way to do it. A blunder of historic dimensions, I'd even say Vietnam made more sense.
PunchyHamster 17 hours ago [-]
US put some of those regimes in power
flyinglizard 24 hours ago [-]
Visit Iran, then visit UAE or Bahrain, then tell me again if they got in bed with the wrong ally.
jacquesm 21 hours ago [-]
I tried following your advice but the airports were closed...
flyinglizard 19 hours ago [-]
These countries measure processes in decades. Their rulers are not up for election. They can go through huge (sometimes futile), multi-year projects and processes which would not survive any regime change in the west. They are willing to pay a price to assure their independence from Iranian influence - they pushed and encouraged this war in the first place.
Iolaum 22 hours ago [-]
> actually have to pay taxes
Interested in recommendations of politically stable countries where companies can't practice tax avoidance.
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kulahan 22 hours ago [-]
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alexpotato 24 hours ago [-]
I used to say "What happens if Hurricane Sandy 2 hits?" e.g. a whole region goes down.
Now I can add "AWS Bahrain" and "Yandex" to that list.
ls-a 23 hours ago [-]
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asdfsa32 1 days ago [-]
Don't let logic get in the way of a good propaganda.
lukan 1 days ago [-]
Logic says google bots do not come disguised, but as google agents.
Or is there other information?
Now there is probably also AI agent spam from google, but not at this level I believe. Also I am not fully clear what they count as spam, I doubt they would include google in this list, so do they include yandex bots here, if they come officially?
selcuka 1 days ago [-]
Google bots definitely come disguised, to check whether the web site serves different content to non-Google user agents.
walrus01 1 days ago [-]
There's also the very well known inverse phenomenon of absolutely non-google people trying to disguise their crawler as a googlebot useragent, which has been a thing since at least... 15 years now?
duxup 22 hours ago [-]
Yeah I see a lot of what looks like non google bots pretending to be google bots, and then the next time some other bot and so on.
lukan 22 hours ago [-]
How do you know they are not google? Their IP address or behavior?
duxup 22 hours ago [-]
Behavior mostly. I don’t expect Google to be trying to hit known exploits for that given server and similar behavior.
asdfsa32 1 days ago [-]
I am unsure what you're trying to say. But it seems like you don't understand what Bot means in general and how is it specifically defined for the metric provided in that page.
From that pages point of view, a Google bot, Yandex bot, or your uncle Tom's AI agent spam is the same, a bot.
lukan 1 days ago [-]
I know what it means in general, but like I said indeed not "how is it specifically defined for the metric provided in that page."
konart 1 days ago [-]
Neither do Yandex bots. What's your point?
lukan 1 days ago [-]
If official yandex bots ain't included in this data here - then it means spam/scam bots come indeed from yandex servers. As they stopped working, when the yandex data center was hit.
asdfsa32 1 days ago [-]
But what do you mean by "if"? It is a well defined metric and there is no "if".
Thank you, I missed that one (or it was not there when I started writing).
So yandex bots are included and this metric says nothing about malicious yandex intent here.
caaqil 1 days ago [-]
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loeg 1 days ago [-]
> HN is just filled with the same primitive tribal normies
Yes, but it's mostly the opposite tribe of the one you're complaining about.
GlacierFox 1 days ago [-]
Yeah for real, enlightened one. Russia is great by every metric /s.
876433790 1 days ago [-]
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Citizen_Lame 1 days ago [-]
Will someone think of the Russkies.
kakacik 1 days ago [-]
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jabron 1 days ago [-]
What an interesting way to phrase things when the US is responsible for much more suffering and unrest outside of it's own borders. Including the current situation in Russia, come to think of it.
influx 1 days ago [-]
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bruce415 1 days ago [-]
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CaptWorld 1 days ago [-]
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Zetaphor 1 days ago [-]
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CaptWorld 23 hours ago [-]
this is the surface level knowledge of an average redditor? What concentration camps? What are these redefinitions of words? What's the death count ratio to people living there? Just because it's inhumane doesn't mean it's concentration camps. You wanted silent executions where they botch up using failed lethal injections? Why this sudden sympathy for the terrorist who mercilessly murdered unarmed children and women. What is this dilution of prioritising profit over human life nonsense? Capitalism has been prime uplifter of poor people all across the world and prioritizing short term goals over long term goals is the reason why socialist has been the worst economic system ever conceived where genocides and famines are frequent. We kidnapped him because maduro is a dictator who profited himself and his cronies over his people and rigged the elections. We invaded poor country of Iran who funds terrorists across the middle East who killed thousands of its people protesting against their regime. You can go on but they are just empty words without a speck of truth to it and you are just parroting leftist tankie talking points without analysing thru reason. US has been savior of Jews against nazis and bombed the fascist japan regimes there by saving the world from communists who would've plunged the world to middle ages. You guys don't know any history but talk so confidently.
Zetaphor 22 hours ago [-]
I'm only going to bother responding to what is either an obvious bad faith argument/troll or someone who is completely deluded for the benefit of others who may have some amount of rationality and empathy left in them, as I'm sure you're going to have a "Well actually" retort for every single point I make while ignoring the increasing swell of inhumanity that they all lead to. Don't expect a followup as this is not really for you.
> You wanted silent executions where they botch up using failed lethal injections?
Executions today and throughout the existence of the internet have been "silent". We stopped making executions public events because we realized it was barbaric and celebrated violence while also being a show of force against the citizens of a nation. Public executions are something most people associate with dictatorships.
> Why this sudden sympathy for the terrorist who mercilessly murdered unarmed children and women.
I'm not advocating for sympathy for someone who committed a crime, keep your arguments on point please. I'm advocating for not making the execution of a person a public viewing event put on by the government. Two women were injured in the Fort Hood shooting, however one of the victims was pregnant, so I guess you could still try to argue "women and children", though that seems to imply the male victims were somehow worth less?
> What is this dilution of prioritising profit over human life nonsense?
If I become severely injured or ill my ability to access care to prolong my life or decrease my suffering is directly correlated with my wealth. There are plenty of countries, "third world" and otherwise, where this is simply not the case. If I lived a few hours north of where I am now I'd have universal healthcare. I had a friend who died at 22 of skin cancer because he was afraid of seeking treatment, because he knew that if it turned out to be terminal he would be leaving his family with generational debt. In the last country I visited he could have just gone to the hospital and received treatment. They viewed access to healthcare as a human right, putting the needs of people over profit. Is that country perfect, obviously not, but they've at least got that going for them.
> We kidnapped him because maduro is a dictator who profited himself and his cronies over his people and rigged the elections
Why are we the world police? Should we go "liberate" every country with an autocratic dictator? Why are we more worried about the affairs of a foreign nation and its leader than resolving the issues we have at home. The answer is oil.
> US has been savior of Jews against nazis and bombed the fascist japan regimes there by saving the world from communists who would've plunged the world to middle ages.
This statement alone is worthy of a page of retort on its own, but it's irrelevant to the point I was making, that today things are not going well here, regardless of what good we may or may not have done in the past. The America of today is not the America of yesteryear.
> African countries are like concentration camps? Incredibly racist attitude.
You took two separate points and twisted them to suit your bias.
We are taking immigrants from Latin American countries and deporting them not to their home countries, but to African nations as a form of punishment, allowing them to be detained by a third party government in a country where they don't speak the language and don't have access to a way back to their home nation. If we're going to deport them it should be back to their home country, not an entirely different continent.
It's really heartbreaking to see how incredibly cruel people can be online, I hope you're not like this in person.
Edit: I meant to put the ACLU link rather than the Marshall one, but keeping both
Apollorider 21 hours ago [-]
Great links, Marshall even says how only the most far-leftists say concentration camp instead of the correct term detention center.
How to send them to their home countries if they don't want to take them?
I have a simple trick to avoid being sent to a "concentration camp", I don't illegally go to the US or any otheir country.
Zetaphor 21 hours ago [-]
> Great links, Marshall even says how only the most far-leftists say concentration camp instead of the correct term detention center.
Can we not agree that people should not be detained in conditions in which they are being allowed to have an infected tooth develop sepsis leading to death? Is it so much of a stretch to say that if we're going to hold someone in custody, we have a responsibility to ensure that they're not being left in inhumane conditions. When did advocating humane conditions become leftist? How is it that we have such a massive number of incarcerated Americans in prisons but it's only the incarcerated immigrants that are dying at at a rate of one every six days?
> I have a simple trick to avoid being sent to a "concentration camp", I don't illegally go to the US or any otheir country.
Let's conveniently ignore the US citizens ICE rounded up and put into custody because they were the wrong color. Or the increasing number of legal immigrants who are rounded up based on their location and appearance to be sorted out later once an advocate is able to bring their documentation.
Why are you willing to be so cruel? How would you feel if this happened to someone you cared about?
Apollorider 20 hours ago [-]
Yeah medical care should be offered.
>How is it that we have such a massive number of incarcerated Americans in prisons but it's only the incarcerated immigrants that are dying at at a rate of one every six days?
If you checked the numbers you would notice US prisons and jails have a lot higher mortality than ICE detention, state prison being the most dangerous with about 4x more deaths than ICE.
>Let's conveniently ignore the US citizens ICE rounded
No system is perfect and idiot agents should be fired.
>How would you feel if this happened to someone you cared about?
I've had friends kicked out of the US by ICE and we mostly laugh about it, they know if you do the crime can't really cry once you're busted. Personally I'm banned for life because I'm a convicted criminal, smoked weed and did some LSD when young.
idiotsecant 1 days ago [-]
This phrase is so annoying. It's one millimeter up from just doing marvel movie quotes instead of typing your actual thoughts like a real live adult human.
wiseowise 1 days ago [-]
> normies
Touch grass.
wewxjfq 1 days ago [-]
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asdfsa32 1 days ago [-]
Thanks for making it clear that you didn't look past the submission title.
notwatching 1 days ago [-]
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JKCalhoun 24 hours ago [-]
"If we took Google offline I bet there would also be a reduction in bot traffic from them too!"
That would be awesome.
enopod_ 1 days ago [-]
I wonder how bot traffic on propaganda platforms like Twitter changed, but they probably won't give out any information anyway.
locknitpicker 10 hours ago [-]
I always wondered why every single western country is subjected to a constant stream of the same simplistic and generic anti immigration comments, regardless of the country. It's as if suddenly everyone from Poland to Portugal had the same moron racist uncle flooding their social media service of choice. There is also and always a russian-backed populist far-right emergent political party posting PG-13 versions of the same posts pushed by these bots.
I wonder what kind of fluctuation we will see in these bots traffic.
IgnaciusMonk 1 days ago [-]
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walrus01 1 days ago [-]
The other Yandex AS which is their hosting/hypervisor platform, broadly similar to AWS, Azure, whatever also shows a major drop in bot traffic:
Still, at least Polish Facebook seem to be far quieter with anti-UA/pro russia comments. So not only search bots
dgellow 1 days ago [-]
Yandex has cloud offering, their servers are used for actual bot traffic, not just crawlers. Yandex hasn’t been only a search company for a very long time.
nik282000 1 days ago [-]
Google hosts a significant number of bots. About half of my fail2ban list is google cloud IPs.
alephnerd 1 days ago [-]
Of course they do, but they are quick with account bans when notified because of the liability issue unlike Yandex.
luckylion 1 days ago [-]
I've reported high-volume exploit scanners multiple times, and when expiring blocks a week later, they typically would show up & resumt with the same IP at some point.
Maybe they'd care if the account was using a stolen credit card and there was a chance they wouldn't get their money, but they definitely do not care otherwise for normal people like me. I'm sure that'd be different if it's a multinational or a country-level government body is reporting something, but I can't get those to do my bidding.
saghm 1 days ago [-]
That must be why Google has such a stelly reputation for the quality of their support operations
876433790 1 days ago [-]
> liability issue
Continue drinking the Google kool-aid
walrus01 1 days ago [-]
Right, because I've had such outstanding results getting in touch with actual humans from Google when reporting abusive traffic directed towards my IP ranges. Top tier attention from people who really care.
/s
AlienRobot 1 days ago [-]
I wonder how this will affect the Yandex search engine. I think I've read they split the Russian one and .com, but I'm not sure.
DonHopkins 1 days ago [-]
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CoastalCoder 1 days ago [-]
Can you point to a few comments that you consider examples?
I've never noticed occurrences of such stuff, so I'm curious what I'm failing to key in on.
Edit: and would someone mind explaining the downvotes? If they're meant to communicate something to me, I'm genuinely not understanding.
rpdillon 1 days ago [-]
I like to study rhetoric, and appreciate folks asking for specifics. There's a lot of generalities thrown around on this forum that are highly questionable, and the only antidote I have is to request details. It's surprising how often folks resist.
A sibling comment replying to you is using a familiar tactic, which is to try to shame you for asking for specifics, while simultaneously providing none and telling you that it's obvious.
Occasionally people do provide details and I learn something, but that's not the common case, sadly.
BlackRabbit1 1 days ago [-]
Post a controversial political statement and grab a beer.
p-e-w 1 days ago [-]
Obviously. Because anyone who disagrees with the Western online consensus must be a bot, essentially by definition.
wiseowise 1 days ago [-]
Would it please you if “useful idiot” would be used over bot when someone regurgitates Russian metodichkas?
p-e-w 1 days ago [-]
No matter what ideology you follow, you are someone’s useful idiot, so this term is meaningless.
Russia is no more (and no less) my enemy than the US and the EU are. And as far as spreading propaganda goes, Russia is downright mediocre compared to the latter two.
wiseowise 1 days ago [-]
What you’re saying is not wrong, but it is also empty.
It’s impossible to talk about this without concrete examples and opinions about them.
braiamp 1 days ago [-]
Ehh, there are enough humans that would do that. Don't delude yourself thinking that there are no people that hold such views.
rokkamokka 1 days ago [-]
That's half the point of the bots though, to spread the propaganda to other people so they spread it as well
p-e-w 1 days ago [-]
Having multiple genuinely different viewpoints in a discussion isn’t evidence of “bots”, it’s the default in any community that isn’t heavily censored to silence dissent. And individuals voicing their different viewpoints isn’t “propaganda”, it’s the definition of discourse.
wiseowise 1 days ago [-]
> Can you point to a few comments that you consider examples?
Just search for “Russia” on HN and follow threads. You’ll find lots of “what about West/Jews”, “Russia is fighting against NATO”, etc. Then open any western news outlet on YouTube and follow comments too.
asanineassasin 1 days ago [-]
The russian bots are better.. usually its conspiracy fog, attached to a valid russia opposing point that reveals them. Chinese bots are just this months CCP talking points, so can be quite easily visible if they cram some topic only china cares about into every reply.
MomsAVoxell 1 days ago [-]
Nobody wants honesty, everyone just wants to fit in with the collective. The downvotes are the collective, reactive mindset, showing itself.
gilrain 1 days ago [-]
The downvotes are because you're resisting easily-observed reality with the seemingly-rational response "Where is this 'air'? If I'm breathing it, it should be easy to point to, no?"
No. If you can't see it, and don't understand it's there, you cannot be explained to. You're someone with no palate asking how anyone else can know if a wine tastes good.
CoastalCoder 1 days ago [-]
I appreciate that response. I don't know if/how to convince you that I'm asking the question in good faith, but (FWIW) I am.
Regardless, wouldn't it be easy to point me to even one example if it's as prevalent as (I think) you're saying?
Or am I missing your main point, i.e. that what's being described can't be demonstrated via example?
gilrain 1 days ago [-]
> wouldn't it be easy to point me to even one example
Read and think about my wine analogy, if you care.
CoastalCoder 1 days ago [-]
I think you're saying that it's hard to articulate why some particular comment should be judged as having come from a bot. I.e., similar to the SCOTUS opinion regarding pornography: "I know it if I see it".
Is that correct?
If so, wouldn't that still admit someone providing a specific example? The whole point of my original comment was that I knew I wasn't judging these things the same as others were.
MomsAVoxell 1 days ago [-]
Nonsense. They’re trying to breathe and the downvotes won’t allow it.
gilrain 1 days ago [-]
Point out any wine that doesn't taste the same as any other, to me who has said he cannot taste wine.
Only then, I'll believe you that wine can taste good or bad.
Is my mind open? Is this not a waste of your time?
wiseowise 1 days ago [-]
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throwaw12 1 days ago [-]
Someone needs to learn how to read the Bot Traffic page.
That is a drop in traffic specifically from Yandex bots (which includes their crawlers and other apps hosted in their DC)
Its like saying, "API requests are completely down" (and small disclaimer: only from your server, because your server is down)
walrus01 1 days ago [-]
Absence of bot traffic is secondary to the absence of nearly all Yandex traffic in general, bot or not, as a result of the datacenter being down. Which is certainly newsworthy.
throwaw12 1 days ago [-]
Your initial submission title sounded as if Yandex DC was used as a bot attack and because they were down, bot traffic in the whole internet was substantially down.
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rembal 23 hours ago [-]
Don't worry, now that Trump started protecting the refineries, the other data centers will be hit sooner rather than later.
All those fresh fp2 drones can't go to waste.
The only question is whats next - power plants? Water treatments? Heating somewhere up north?
schleck8 1 days ago [-]
The HTTP traffic from Yandex is down to ~ 0 % after the third strike, after the first two strikes already degraded it. I wonder how this looks like at the network level because their search page still serves, but presumably their crawler is inactive now
Edit: Here is some more info, they do have availability issues as is to be expected
> Because three of its primary facilities were knocked offline within four days, Yandex’s failover mechanisms broke down[1][8].
> Outages have cascaded across Yandex Go (taxis), Yandex Pay, food delivery, smart home platforms, internal logistics, and third-party corporate services hosted on Yandex Cloud[2][7]. Problems have spilled into neighboring countries using these systems (Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Serbia)[2][7].
Edit 2: Here is the Yandex Cloud status page, their GCP/AWS equivalent. The entire compute core is offline, and even worse, Cloud Backup
Interestingly, Yandex tells its users on the status page to switch to competitors Selectel, K2Cloud, and VK Cloud. Which will probably be hit next
Bluestein 1 days ago [-]
This will be a case study in catastrophic events for HA and Ops folks.-
cowlevel 1 days ago [-]
I think the complete destruction of the AWS Bahrain region got there first.
walrus01 1 days ago [-]
I don't know how useful it will be as a case study since an HA/Ops person in (let's say, the US, Canada, AU, western european countries) has access to do things like buy hypervisor capacity or colocation in just about any location. I could go buy colo in Brussels or Panama City or San Diego or Edmonton or Melbourne tomorrow by contacting the right people.
The Russians are much more restricted from doing anything geographically outside of their own borders (for very well justified sanctions reasons), so their limitations are not the same as an HA person in almost any other country. Maybe some Iranian HA/Ops people will be comparing notes with them.
ivan_gammel 1 days ago [-]
Sometimes there exist data or processing residence requirements that bind you to a specific region (e.g. EU-only). Also, „all AZs in this region no longer exist“ is not on everyone‘s bingo card, this is a good reminder why multi-AZ deployment in the same region may be not enough.
For data center guys this is definitely a case study, because drone attacks are probably on the threat list for everyone now, for various reasons, including domestic terrorism and hybrid warfare. If you want to defend your investment, time to think what covers you from the air.
finaard 23 hours ago [-]
It heavily depends on "what kind of DC". A lot of current DCs are not really well protected against a lot of known threats - and that's just a design tradeoff.
High value data is already protected a bit better (or at least should be - the usual trend, management gets lazy when nothing blows up). I'm old enough to have sat in the meetings for "so, apparently a plane crashing into one or more of our locations is a viable risk now" - and a DC hardened for "somebody tries to land a 747 on that thing" should also survive a small drone with a bit of explosives.
While for the younger ones the "we lose several availability zones within days" is a new thing now - it really isn't. We were planning for that back then as well, just that we didn't call it "availability zone" or "cloud" yet.
walrus01 1 days ago [-]
It's an open question at what point we'll start seeing small fiesty startups that want to sell you a privately owned air defense system for your datacenter roof. The tech to do it is probably far ahead of the regulatory regime to own and operate autonomous small radar+SAM batteries.
ivan_gammel 1 days ago [-]
It will require some involvement of state, but it is plausible, that critical infrastructure will be required to have this covered and certain big, licensed private contractors may be able to operate air defense systems on such sites (do you smell the money and lobbying effort?).
Also this may influence the design of such data centers. A drone that a paramilitary group can build is not very sophisticated and won’t carry big payloads. Put an outer concrete shell or some better passive defense, and maybe that will be enough.
walrus01 1 days ago [-]
As a result of some of my work only slightly related to telecom/internet infrastructure, I happened to get on the marketing lists for about six different Chinese companies that will gladly sell you a full size Shahed-136 clone complete with 2 stroke petrol motor. I wouldn't say that small paramilitaries being only able to fly a 5-10kg max size quadcopter with a munition on it into a datacenter is the limit of possible future capabilities. These things are cheaply made in fiberglass molds and look to be dead simple. They're already showing demo videos of them flying around with very low cost ardupilot capable flight controllers.
They even advertise the airframe and motor packages on Instagram....
ivan_gammel 1 days ago [-]
Well, what an interesting time we are living in…
cyberax 10 hours ago [-]
> privately owned air defense system for your datacenter roof
Just run your app on three fast servers in your office.
PunchyHamster 17 hours ago [-]
Just co-located datacenter next to a military base
expedition32 1 days ago [-]
In a scenario were data centres in China, the US or France are getting blown up you're in WW3 and your food delivery service no longer matters.
themgt 1 days ago [-]
The DR plan for pros, "I could go buy colo tomorrow by contacting the right people"
SOLAR_FIELDS 1 days ago [-]
Unironically yes, if you're just a typical B2B SaaS who doesn't have "datacenter getting hit by a literal missile" in your threat model, this coupled with offsite backups is probably the logical DR plan for that scenario.
walrus01 1 days ago [-]
It was clearly meant as an example of the ease of a non-russian company buying geographically-distributed services in the global marketplace, not "I could go buy this with a few docusign signatures and SWIFT wire transfers tomorrow". I am not in the market for colo in Panama City or Melbourne. I don't think it's a bad thing that the russians are hampered by many limitations but whatever lessons their HA people are learning these days are probably very specific to a sanctioned Russia.
AlienRobot 1 days ago [-]
I don't think there is much you can do about being targeted by a military, simply because of how unique the attack vector is.
Hacking is smart but happens through software, so if you have hardware (i.e. physical) barriers, that stops the hacking.
Natural disasters happen physically but they are dumb, so if you have software redundancy (i.e. by copying the data to multiple locations), that stops them from destroying everything.
A military is both physical AND smart. They can target multiple locations at once and destroy whole buildings.
jacquesm 1 days ago [-]
> I don't think there is much you can do about being targeted by a military, simply because of how unique the attack vector is.
You could choose not to invade other countries.
loeg 1 days ago [-]
This (as with defense) is kind of outside Google or Yandex's purview.
phatfish 1 days ago [-]
Yandex is a part of Russia's military. Just the same as Google, MS, Amazon etc. provide services for the US military. Google et al. are probably in the critical path of defence for most European countries as well, insane though that is.
ivan_gammel 1 days ago [-]
Not defending Yandex here, but I think their military involvement might be as accidental as of an American farmer whose beef landed in the cantina of aircraft carrier. Government and military procurement in Russia is its own universe, with strong players having specific IT expertise and capable of building DCs and tech. Assuming that everywhere in the world it’s the same as in America is wrong. Consumer tech companies aren’t operating this way usually, it is the scale of American Big Tech that allows them to compete with traditional contractors.
a012 1 days ago [-]
In general it’s the price of working with government, also see AWS Bahrain. I wonder if their insurance actually pays out because those are not officially wars there so hopefully they could recover some what from the insurance.
cowlevel 16 hours ago [-]
AWS plays both sides in that conflict since they're also a supplier for Israel. Presumably the aggressive side got them more profit than the defensive side cost them.
normie3000 7 hours ago [-]
I don't think that qualifies as playing both sides.
jacquesm 1 days ago [-]
Said every company serving fascists ever.
No, you can choose to collaborate or you can shut it down.
Collaborators don't get to point back in time and say 'oh we had no choice', even if the choice was a painful one. Sorry it does not work that way.
kgeist 1 days ago [-]
A very naive take from someone who clearly lives in a place where people have real choices, economic freedom, freedom of movement, and a government that protects them. "Just shut it down, bro" risks destroying your livelihood and leaving your family financially stranded, and yourself incarcerated or sent to the war zone. And it's not like Yandex develops weapons of mass destruction, you probably assume it's a collaboration even if Yandex simply hosts the Defense Ministry's websites. No sane parent will put their family at risk for this kind of stuff. "I'm going against the government for abstract ethical reasons" is something very few people/countries can afford.
And you can't shut it down anyway. The government will just nationalize it and keep it running. As long as you're the one in charge, you can at least throw a few hidden obstacles in the way, like dragging out legal processes.
jacquesm 1 days ago [-]
No, a pretty informed take from someone who had family members that once upon a time made some very tough choices because they thought it was the right thing to do.
You can pretend at being ethical and moral as long as there is no price to pay, but when the time comes that it matters there will always be a price tag. Whether you are prepared to pay or not is what defines whether you are ethical or just pretending.
Company execs make decisions, employees make decisions, everybody carries a part.
loeg 14 hours ago [-]
Everything I don't like is fascist. Bed time is fascist. Blah blah. This is an incredibly naive take.
ndsipa_pomu 2 hours ago [-]
There's better definitions to use to identify fascism.
"At the core of fascism is loyalty to tribe, ethnic identity, religion, tradition, or, in a word, nation." - Jason Stanley
Also, a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.
AlienRobot 1 days ago [-]
I guess, but that doesn't sound like something in the control of a single individual company.
freeopinion 1 days ago [-]
Is it just me, or didn't we just see a single company cause a bit of a dustup when they refused to provide certain services to a military that wanted to bomb another country?
If it doesn't sound like something in the control of a single individual company, perhaps you have something distorting your hearing.
jacquesm 1 days ago [-]
They control their own individual contribution.
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whatdouthink 1 days ago [-]
But apparently this does not apply to you.
jacquesm 1 days ago [-]
At least one russian shill that isn't affected by the Yandex strikes. Let's see how the rest of them fares, HN has its fair share of these characters.
microtonal 1 days ago [-]
The pattern is quite interesting. I think I have seen this account in another thread today. They post pro-Russia comments, get downvoted and then delete their comment again.
jacquesm 1 days ago [-]
There must be at least 10 or 20 of these, I point them out to the mods but some of them - for instance our good friend 'drysine' - are alive and well even after months of spouting their junk. It is really annoying.
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simondotau 1 days ago [-]
You can learn to quickly diversify availability (or at least data safety) beyond the region of conflict when a kinetic war breaks out. The moment “kinetic sanctions” became the strategy, the risk to data centres should have been self-evident. And if it wasn’t immediately obvious, it should have been blindingly so when targeting expanded from oil refineries to Wildberries warehouses.
ivan_gammel 1 days ago [-]
I don‘t think you can build a new data center in such a short time frame that passed since attacks on WB, definitely not when you can source hardware only from the black market.
simondotau 1 days ago [-]
I’m not describing what Yandex should do, but rather what their customers should do. Whether that means diversifying to eastern Russia, or China, or Belarus, I don’t know what options exist.
Bluestein 1 days ago [-]
... and in the middle of the RAM-pocalypse, no less.-
testdelacc1 20 hours ago [-]
Wildberries warehouses were filled with flammable items boxed up in cardboard, packed for maximum efficiency and no wasted space. They were tinderboxes.
A datacenter is filled with server racks that wouldn’t burn as readily as cardboard. The fire videos I see of this datacenter don’t look as good as the Wildberries videos.
That said, I wish the Russian people good luck with booking their taxis and Yandex employees luck with finding RAM.
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Hamuko 1 days ago [-]
I feel like this isn't even a particularly new thing. I worked at a medium-sized SaaS company and we did disaster recovery drills for moving our stack from eu-west-1 to eu-central-1 in case something catastrophic happened in Ireland. If you want HA, you kinda have to assume that any single country in the world can have some kind of a crippling disaster. Unfortunately for Yandex's clients, Yandex only has regions in two countries, and not that many regions either.
alephnerd 1 days ago [-]
> The entire compute core is offline, and even worse, Cloud Backup
Their Kazakh regions are available according to the dashboard, so it isn't as catastrophic.
Their managed DBs and data processing services are heavily affected though with no Kazakh redundancies from the looks of it.
schleck8 1 days ago [-]
The KZ region wasn't intended for Russia's entire workload, that's a secondary region with better Central Asian access.
If what you deduct were correct, Yandex would not be telling its customers to switch to competitora like VK Cloud. They even have a "priority onboarding code" called "CloudBro" for three competitors.
bamboozled 1 days ago [-]
I just searched "blyat" and it worked, so?
eptcyka 1 days ago [-]
Given that blyad is just punctuation at this point, I am not surprised.
throw-the-towel 1 days ago [-]
The username checks out!
("Ept" and "suka" are two other swearwords, that are also used much like punctuation.)
bamboozled 22 hours ago [-]
Get with the times, gramps
walrus01 1 days ago [-]
I predict a great many more videos coming out of Russia of Firepoint UAVs flying into refineries and such, punctuated by background audio commentary that can be summed up as "cyka blyat"
timr 1 days ago [-]
Isn't this showing the percentage of bot traffic from the Yandex IP range?
If so, it isn't particularly surprising that the line would go down.
EDIT: yes, it is. Looking at the same graph for all of Russia, and there's no discernible pattern:
You've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly and egregiously, such as flamewar, personal attacks, and using the site primarily for political/ideological battle, all of which will get you banned here.
I can’t believe there are so many dumb comments in this thread.
All it shows is that crawling from Yandex search engine stopped from one Yandex data center ASN.
No one runs opinion/malicious bots from data center IPs that people mention here.
Did people actually stop thinking?
braiamp 1 days ago [-]
The funny thing is that apparently I'm the only one that flagged it... I don't know why people comment instead of using the tools?
treyd 1 days ago [-]
The bots might be run in the datacenter and proxied through residential IPs as the exit point.
Sayrus 1 days ago [-]
If they are, then that wouldn't be YANDEX AS13238. So the linked graph wouldn't show these changes.
rixed 9 hours ago [-]
Maybe they do use an obvious IP from yandex datacenter IP range so that you believe they can't possibly be yandex's bot?
f311a 1 days ago [-]
You won't see this kind of stats on the CF page.
All it shows is direct traffic against CF infrastructure.
walrus01 1 days ago [-]
On the other hand there are plenty of datacenter located command/control systems that puppeteer vast fleets of residential proxies (and Russia is by no means the only one doing so), so it will be very telling to see what social media accounts go silent over the coming days and weeks.
> from one Yandex data center ASN
This is only one of two extant Yandex ASN, not an ASN specific to one geographic region/datacenter.
And yet overnight the pro UA comments in Polish internet dropped by order of magnitude, must be coincidence....
...it's fucking datacenter, obviously it runs more than just "crawler bots"
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orbital-decay 1 days ago [-]
Both comments, his and especially yours, are terrible interpretations. That's how any discussion is turned into a mud flinging party.
mattstir 1 days ago [-]
Not to get sidetracked, and not to argue against anything you've said, but how do you figure that out? For people you disagree with, do you open their profile's comments and start keyword-searching "russia" "china" "moscow" etc in hopes of finding a hit? They mentioned that city once in Jan 2024, halfway down the page and in passing. I'm just curious about how others use this site.
walrus01 1 days ago [-]
Different people read at different speeds, it took me about 5 seconds when skimming it. If you engage in enough discussion related to Russia online you will quickly learn to identify when inauthentic commenters suddenly show up from a previously idle account to add their 2 cents.
The person in question doesn't exhibit much of it, but one will also learn when skimming to identify certain grammar and sentence structure characteristics that can point to what is the first language of a person, even if they're writing in fluent English.
kakacik 1 days ago [-]
All that expertise (which requires some proper experience in the topic) even before you plug a llm to it, even few years ago they were good enough to identify unique writing styles of people across different accounts on HN.
Anonymity is gone from internet for some time.
walrus01 1 days ago [-]
I have seen document-analysis guides with info on how to identify the regional location of anonymous Internet commenters specifically within the US 48 states if you have a sufficiently large corpus of their text, as it relates to how they use certain regional slang, metaphors, colloquialisms, and words to describe things. Think of it as similar to how linguists have made maps showing regional variations in whether people call it "soda" or "coke" or "pop", but extended to all other common forms of North American dialect.
*Sudden drop in Cloudflare bot traffic from AS13238 YANDEX — Yandex LLC
UPD Definition of bot traffic from Cloudflare's glossary:
>Bot vs. human traffic
>The percentage of HTTP requests classified as bot versus human, based on bot scores. Requests with a bot score between 1 and 29 are classified as likely automated (bot), while requests with a score of 30 or above are classified as likely human. For more information, refer to Bot classes.
>By default, Radar shows bot vs. human traffic for requests to HTML content. This filter is meant to represent traditional web traffic by excluding API calls, asset requests (images, scripts, fonts), and other machine-to-machine requests.
Correct, I probably didn't didn't write that in the clearest possible way, I meant "detected bot traffic hitting cloudflare originating from Yandex".
caidan 24 hours ago [-]
So cloudflare https://radar.cloudflare.com/bots?dateRange=7d shows 40% of worldwide bot traffic is from the us and <1% is from Russia. So what is this chart of traffic from russias search engine supposed to show?
saxonww 23 hours ago [-]
Yandex is a search engine like Google is a search engine. Both are also cloud vendors. The chart of traffic from Yandex is showing that the majority of traffic was considered bot traffic, and after Ukraine's attack on its datacenter(s), that traffic has reduced substantially.
It looks like the majority of online bot traffic is coming from cloud vendor networks, which isn't surprising to me. But it makes me think that the "bot share by location" chart is more useful as a "which cloud vendor has bad bot control" chart vs. a "where is bot traffic coming from" chart.
caidan 10 hours ago [-]
Ah thank you, context is illuminating.
pluc 1 days ago [-]
That's some intense mitigation from Cloudflare
Pikamander2 22 hours ago [-]
Their latest consumer plan includes "Super Duper Bot Fight Mode", which lets you drone strike one data center in a sanctioned country of your choosing.
For additional strikes or to upgrade to ICBM-based payloads, you'll have to contact them to set up an enterprise plan.
Alifatisk 1 days ago [-]
You gave me a good laugh, cheers!
LiamPowell 1 days ago [-]
Everyone is mentioning crawlers, but wouldn't most traffic from a datacenter's ASN usually be bots just in general given that there's not many humans there to generate human traffic?
walrus01 1 days ago [-]
Here's an example French hosting company which has something like 14.8% "human" traffic, (the Yandex is under 5% human) though how much of that is actual humans and not advanced things puppeteering headless browsers is another question.
Maybe it shows that France is a better place for your VPN exit node than Russia? :)
tkrl-pskl 1 days ago [-]
Apart from the correct argument that a search engine like Yandex will have crawlers, I would not be surprised if Western AI companies also used Yandex to scrape covertly.
Nvidia tried to pay off the Russian Anna's Archive for stolen data:
It's interesting (but not surprising) that so much traffic comes from the Netherlands and Singapore despite their sizes compared to the countries at the top of this list.
While not necessarily related to bot traffic, but I was thinking that in the age of AI perhaps we'll be comparing technological development of countries based on their usage of AI per capita (similar to what we have with electricity usage per capita).
bhouston 24 hours ago [-]
100%. It will roughly translate to GDP. It is no different than industrialization/mechanization/computerization transitions.
michelb 23 hours ago [-]
Indeed, most of my server's 'Chinese' and 'Russian' bot traffic is originating from US IP addresses.
cpro29a 9 hours ago [-]
Slightly misleading. The filter is literally bot traffic from Yandex's AS. Of course it goes down when 3 of 5 DCs is down. But if you filter by country, there's no noticeable dip.
I have to wonder what will happen when the remaining 6 data centers get hit as well. It's bound to happen.
qingcharles 1 days ago [-]
I think this really highlights the changing face of war.
It's hard to go to war now when your enemy can just use a few small drones to take out everything your citizens care about in a single day (social media, online deliveries etc).
And these things are practically irreplaceable in a war when you're sanctioned up the wazoo. Where are you buying racks of Xeons and DDR5 RAM and Nvidia GPUs?
afdbcreid 1 days ago [-]
If there will be an world-wide war, sure. But at that point, the Internet as we know it will probably collapse anyway.
cowlevel 1 days ago [-]
There is one, but it's taking place mostly by information means, not physical.
It’s not really surprising that bot traffic originating from a network went away when _all_ traffic originating from that network stopped.
calin2k 24 hours ago [-]
so much love for russia in the comments, maybe bot operators get some spare time to comment here
accountrequired 1 days ago [-]
When Brazil and Afrinet? :P
pKropotkin 1 days ago [-]
Could be just crawlers
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luckystarr 1 days ago [-]
Does that include the disinformation infrastructure? If so, they should keep it on.
toomuchtodo 1 days ago [-]
Cloudflare should consider donating to the Ukrainian military for the public service they are performing.
exe34 1 days ago [-]
I was thinking, we should all contribute to a Yandex fund for the Ukrainian mil to help keep the level of bot activity on the rest of the internet under control!
Or maybe they would just want to get rid of the competition.
bamboozled 1 days ago [-]
I'm going to be really interested how much this cleans up the internet, I mean the damage is done if you read comment sections on youtube etc, but let's see how long the BS persists.
cowlevel 1 days ago [-]
It's only counting Yandex search crawler traffic, not any actually bad bots.
bamboozled 21 hours ago [-]
That's a shame
rvz 1 days ago [-]
“AI agents” is just a fancy rebranding of “bots” with some “intelligence”.
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thenthenthen 1 days ago [-]
Thanks! So thats why I cant reach my bank, health insurance, municipality, tax office and government services from where I live, super!
walrus01 1 days ago [-]
Modern day Russia is about the furthest possible thing from "commies". Kleptocracy? Fascism? Dictatorship? Oligarchy? Sure, some bizarro world combination of all of those. But if you want people to take your opinion seriously, try not to sound like somebody's demented grandpa by tossing around "commie" like it's 1959.
I am pretty damn sure that whatever Putin is doing these days is in no way motivated by an adherence to the Marxist-Leninist way of life.
nephihaha 1 days ago [-]
According to orthodox Marxism, the Russian empire had not fully industrialised or created a widespread bourgeoisie. It was still largely feudal and rural, and a monarchy. Some Marxists have tried to say retroactively that the Russian Revolution was a bourgeois not a proletarian revolution as a result.
Lenin tried to paint kulaks as bourgeois en lieu of actual target, and had to modify Marxism heavily to make things fit. Stalin certainly managed to industrialise much of the USSR, so fulfilled that end. Yeltsin-Putin Russia has created an actual bourgeois state, maybe allowing a workers' revolution to take place for real next time.
Or sort of. In reality, Marx was not an infallible prophet. He did not anticipate artificial intelligence or its consequences, genetic engineering, broadcast media or a host of other things. History has not followed all of the paths he suggested.
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phatfish 1 days ago [-]
The deranged Orange Idiot and the bloodthirsty War Criminal are the ones carrying out what you describe. The rest of "the West" wants nothing more to do with them, and is currently attempting to avoid all the knives heading for their backs.
Monolithic indeed.
blingo2665 1 days ago [-]
The war crimes I alluded to were carried out for decades under the guise of democracy and human rights. And those same knives were pulled out from the backs of the countries that I listed above. "The West" just wants to continue using the knives quietly, expand their military presence, and sanction the opponents to submission and destruction. The destruction and crimes against humanity in Gaza did not start with Trump, they have been going on for decades. You just dislike that now it's so blunt, you'd rather have their water poisoned so that they die out slowly and "without all the drama".
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wiseowise 1 days ago [-]
Evil, imperialistic, warmongering West that checks notes condemns Israel’s actions, and generally condemned attack on Iran.
blingo2665 1 days ago [-]
The arms are sold(and often directly supplied) to Israel by the West. Israeli warplanes are fueled during attacks on Iran by German and NATO tankers. Israel's enemies have suffered decades of sanctions, economic strangulation, and demonization, with the intention of destroying those countries and nations - a crime beyond comprehension for the imperial foot soldiers. A foot soldier of the empire might still have a conscience, and that conscience needs soothing from time to time. So, the imperial machine declares "We condemn the cruelty" while continuing to expand its reach and devour everything in its path. The whole ME (and not only) is essentially a forward deployed ever expanding military base.
The point is that condemning a war in the ME is meaningless, because these powers do not want the war to stop, they just don't want it to be so blunt. They prefer economic strangulation, sanctions and demonization, they want it to be slower and less visible, obscured behind bureaucratic language, with its victims dispersed across societies, consequences unfolding over years and decades, violence concealed, and architects decentralized because it is not a crime of a man, be it Putin or Trump, but a crime of a system where no true accountability can take place. They do not need to bomb every school themselves, but rather enable minor military operations, undermine political and economic stability, and support policies that destroy a society's ability to survive. And the dozens of millions of excess and direct deaths due to these policies are meaningless, right? After all it's the school that counts - those girls had names, faces, futures, and we are rightly appalled. But the millions who die through sanctions, deprivation, and the systemic destruction of their livelihoods, they remain statistics. I mean, can you imagine the public appalled over sanctions against Cuba - what a waste of time. That's not prime time news, and it will never be. Because the sanctions work.
Of course they have bots... That's how you index the web.
If we took Google offline I bet there would also be a reduction in bot traffic from them too!
Indexing is also probably a low priority task, so if half their datacenter capacity is taken offline, their bot traffic probably reduces by more than 50%.
EDIT: I was wrong, they're just generic bot vs human traffic numbers and you're right.
Pretty likely to happen if there is a major war or political upheaval to require the internet be cut in two. I didn't require the service had no downtime, but that it was reasonably possible to restore service within a few hours.
Things contributing to that are you should have either live data or a backup in similar geo location to the user. Both the data and the crypto keys. Same for the code. And you should build your service simple enough that someone else who has never seen it before can deploy it and get things at least mostly working. Things like terraform are good for that - and it dramatically reduces employee training too.
Netsplits were also a common feature of IRC that we had to work around quite often.
Great plan.
https://health.aws.amazon.com/health/status
this is not true, war crimes exist and have legal definitions, even in WW2 people pushed back on some things their government decided to do, like firebombing large civilian centers
hospitals and water facilities are easy examples, which Israel is very guilty of violating in recent years
That is why total wars are distinguished from a normal war. The concept that "all civilian infrastructure supports the war effort" is used in a total war to justify firebombing civilians.
unless we're talking about, say, japan, where the firebombing campaigns killed more civilians than the two atomic bombs :P
WW2 is arguably bad example because everyone was committing crimes against humanity, worst thing humans ever did do, and today we're doing a lot of the same things that got us there
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proclaimed by who? Even the "international order" would disagree, as Yandex Cloud wasn't providing their services to any military companies per my knowledge.
Yandex Cloud was bombed symmetrically. Ukraine made no attempt in targeting MSK-IX, which could be a real military target.
Sure you cannot bribe anyone, actually have to pay taxes and can't install gas turbines but... they don't get blown up.
Lotsa oil, small population, hard to defend.
That's the lie that the US and most other Western countries have told themselves ever since the discovery of oil turned what used to be nomads herding camels and catching fish into the thriving petrostates they are today.
Most of MENA is only stable on paper, that stability being heavily dependent on oil and gas production providing giant slush funds to citizens and a horde of exploited migrant and seasonal workers providing for daily needs. That's why they all went into tourism so hard over the last two-ish decades, they know that the fossil fuel reserves are eventually going to deplete and worldwide demand collapsing with them, and that's why everyone but Iran eventually made their peace with the existence of Israel despite sometimes heavy opposition of the population, and that's why there's still barely any opposition to the US and Israel waging war against Iran, and that's why most of MENA militaries but Iran and Israel's are utterly useless as well - a capable military would be able of coup'ing away the ruling kleptocracy.
And now the MENA countries are in for a wild ride. The Mullahs are sadly far from gone, the Western world is busy weaning itself off of oil and gas following the Russian aggression against Ukraine and the price shocks related to that plus the Iran war, tourists won't come back in meaningful numbers likely for a decade if not longer.
It is in the interest of everyone in the region and the world to be rid of that brutal Islamist regime. The U.S. and Israel are doing God's work.
Google Maps on Gaza does shows a biblical scene. I'm sure everyone who ever perpetrated a massacre would argue they were doing gods work.
Interested in recommendations of politically stable countries where companies can't practice tax avoidance.
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Now I can add "AWS Bahrain" and "Yandex" to that list.
Or is there other information?
Now there is probably also AI agent spam from google, but not at this level I believe. Also I am not fully clear what they count as spam, I doubt they would include google in this list, so do they include yandex bots here, if they come officially?
From that pages point of view, a Google bot, Yandex bot, or your uncle Tom's AI agent spam is the same, a bot.
So yandex bots are included and this metric says nothing about malicious yandex intent here.
Yes, but it's mostly the opposite tribe of the one you're complaining about.
You ask about the deaths in concentration camps: Here's what the ACLU has to say: https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/deaths-in-detent...
You asked about calling them concentration camps, here's what the Marshall Project has to say: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2026/05/04/ice-language-d...
> You wanted silent executions where they botch up using failed lethal injections?
Executions today and throughout the existence of the internet have been "silent". We stopped making executions public events because we realized it was barbaric and celebrated violence while also being a show of force against the citizens of a nation. Public executions are something most people associate with dictatorships.
> Why this sudden sympathy for the terrorist who mercilessly murdered unarmed children and women.
I'm not advocating for sympathy for someone who committed a crime, keep your arguments on point please. I'm advocating for not making the execution of a person a public viewing event put on by the government. Two women were injured in the Fort Hood shooting, however one of the victims was pregnant, so I guess you could still try to argue "women and children", though that seems to imply the male victims were somehow worth less?
> What is this dilution of prioritising profit over human life nonsense?
If I become severely injured or ill my ability to access care to prolong my life or decrease my suffering is directly correlated with my wealth. There are plenty of countries, "third world" and otherwise, where this is simply not the case. If I lived a few hours north of where I am now I'd have universal healthcare. I had a friend who died at 22 of skin cancer because he was afraid of seeking treatment, because he knew that if it turned out to be terminal he would be leaving his family with generational debt. In the last country I visited he could have just gone to the hospital and received treatment. They viewed access to healthcare as a human right, putting the needs of people over profit. Is that country perfect, obviously not, but they've at least got that going for them.
> We kidnapped him because maduro is a dictator who profited himself and his cronies over his people and rigged the elections
Why are we the world police? Should we go "liberate" every country with an autocratic dictator? Why are we more worried about the affairs of a foreign nation and its leader than resolving the issues we have at home. The answer is oil.
> US has been savior of Jews against nazis and bombed the fascist japan regimes there by saving the world from communists who would've plunged the world to middle ages.
This statement alone is worthy of a page of retort on its own, but it's irrelevant to the point I was making, that today things are not going well here, regardless of what good we may or may not have done in the past. The America of today is not the America of yesteryear.
https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/deaths-in-detent...
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2026/05/04/ice-language-d...
> African countries are like concentration camps? Incredibly racist attitude.
You took two separate points and twisted them to suit your bias.
We are taking immigrants from Latin American countries and deporting them not to their home countries, but to African nations as a form of punishment, allowing them to be detained by a third party government in a country where they don't speak the language and don't have access to a way back to their home nation. If we're going to deport them it should be back to their home country, not an entirely different continent.
It's really heartbreaking to see how incredibly cruel people can be online, I hope you're not like this in person.
Edit: I meant to put the ACLU link rather than the Marshall one, but keeping both
How to send them to their home countries if they don't want to take them?
I have a simple trick to avoid being sent to a "concentration camp", I don't illegally go to the US or any otheir country.
Can we not agree that people should not be detained in conditions in which they are being allowed to have an infected tooth develop sepsis leading to death? Is it so much of a stretch to say that if we're going to hold someone in custody, we have a responsibility to ensure that they're not being left in inhumane conditions. When did advocating humane conditions become leftist? How is it that we have such a massive number of incarcerated Americans in prisons but it's only the incarcerated immigrants that are dying at at a rate of one every six days?
> I have a simple trick to avoid being sent to a "concentration camp", I don't illegally go to the US or any otheir country.
Let's conveniently ignore the US citizens ICE rounded up and put into custody because they were the wrong color. Or the increasing number of legal immigrants who are rounded up based on their location and appearance to be sorted out later once an advocate is able to bring their documentation.
Why are you willing to be so cruel? How would you feel if this happened to someone you cared about?
>How is it that we have such a massive number of incarcerated Americans in prisons but it's only the incarcerated immigrants that are dying at at a rate of one every six days?
If you checked the numbers you would notice US prisons and jails have a lot higher mortality than ICE detention, state prison being the most dangerous with about 4x more deaths than ICE.
>Let's conveniently ignore the US citizens ICE rounded
No system is perfect and idiot agents should be fired.
>How would you feel if this happened to someone you cared about?
I've had friends kicked out of the US by ICE and we mostly laugh about it, they know if you do the crime can't really cry once you're busted. Personally I'm banned for life because I'm a convicted criminal, smoked weed and did some LSD when young.
Touch grass.
That would be awesome.
I wonder what kind of fluctuation we will see in these bots traffic.
https://radar.cloudflare.com/bots/as200350?dateRange=7d
https://www.peeringdb.com/net/20950
Maybe they'd care if the account was using a stolen credit card and there was a chance they wouldn't get their money, but they definitely do not care otherwise for normal people like me. I'm sure that'd be different if it's a multinational or a country-level government body is reporting something, but I can't get those to do my bidding.
Continue drinking the Google kool-aid
/s
I've never noticed occurrences of such stuff, so I'm curious what I'm failing to key in on.
Edit: and would someone mind explaining the downvotes? If they're meant to communicate something to me, I'm genuinely not understanding.
A sibling comment replying to you is using a familiar tactic, which is to try to shame you for asking for specifics, while simultaneously providing none and telling you that it's obvious.
Occasionally people do provide details and I learn something, but that's not the common case, sadly.
Russia is no more (and no less) my enemy than the US and the EU are. And as far as spreading propaganda goes, Russia is downright mediocre compared to the latter two.
It’s impossible to talk about this without concrete examples and opinions about them.
Just search for “Russia” on HN and follow threads. You’ll find lots of “what about West/Jews”, “Russia is fighting against NATO”, etc. Then open any western news outlet on YouTube and follow comments too.
No. If you can't see it, and don't understand it's there, you cannot be explained to. You're someone with no palate asking how anyone else can know if a wine tastes good.
Regardless, wouldn't it be easy to point me to even one example if it's as prevalent as (I think) you're saying?
Or am I missing your main point, i.e. that what's being described can't be demonstrated via example?
Read and think about my wine analogy, if you care.
Is that correct?
If so, wouldn't that still admit someone providing a specific example? The whole point of my original comment was that I knew I wasn't judging these things the same as others were.
Only then, I'll believe you that wine can taste good or bad.
Is my mind open? Is this not a waste of your time?
That is a drop in traffic specifically from Yandex bots (which includes their crawlers and other apps hosted in their DC)
Now compare it with Bot Traffic in:
* Russia: https://radar.cloudflare.com/bots/ru?dateRange=7d
* Europe: https://radar.cloudflare.com/bots/europe?dateRange=7d
* Worldwide: https://radar.cloudflare.com/bots?dateRange=7d
Dip is barely noticeable even in Russia.
Its like saying, "API requests are completely down" (and small disclaimer: only from your server, because your server is down)
Edit: Here is some more info, they do have availability issues as is to be expected
> Because three of its primary facilities were knocked offline within four days, Yandex’s failover mechanisms broke down[1][8].
> Outages have cascaded across Yandex Go (taxis), Yandex Pay, food delivery, smart home platforms, internal logistics, and third-party corporate services hosted on Yandex Cloud[2][7]. Problems have spilled into neighboring countries using these systems (Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Serbia)[2][7].
Edit 2: Here is the Yandex Cloud status page, their GCP/AWS equivalent. The entire compute core is offline, and even worse, Cloud Backup
https://status.yandex.cloud/ru/dashboard
> ru Compute Cloud, ru Kubernetes, ru PostgreSQL, ru ClickHouse, ru MySQL, ru YDB, ru Kafka, ru Application Load Balancer
Interestingly, Yandex tells its users on the status page to switch to competitors Selectel, K2Cloud, and VK Cloud. Which will probably be hit next
The Russians are much more restricted from doing anything geographically outside of their own borders (for very well justified sanctions reasons), so their limitations are not the same as an HA person in almost any other country. Maybe some Iranian HA/Ops people will be comparing notes with them.
For data center guys this is definitely a case study, because drone attacks are probably on the threat list for everyone now, for various reasons, including domestic terrorism and hybrid warfare. If you want to defend your investment, time to think what covers you from the air.
High value data is already protected a bit better (or at least should be - the usual trend, management gets lazy when nothing blows up). I'm old enough to have sat in the meetings for "so, apparently a plane crashing into one or more of our locations is a viable risk now" - and a DC hardened for "somebody tries to land a 747 on that thing" should also survive a small drone with a bit of explosives.
While for the younger ones the "we lose several availability zones within days" is a new thing now - it really isn't. We were planning for that back then as well, just that we didn't call it "availability zone" or "cloud" yet.
Also this may influence the design of such data centers. A drone that a paramilitary group can build is not very sophisticated and won’t carry big payloads. Put an outer concrete shell or some better passive defense, and maybe that will be enough.
They even advertise the airframe and motor packages on Instagram....
Already here: https://vishkipvo.ru/
Hacking is smart but happens through software, so if you have hardware (i.e. physical) barriers, that stops the hacking.
Natural disasters happen physically but they are dumb, so if you have software redundancy (i.e. by copying the data to multiple locations), that stops them from destroying everything.
A military is both physical AND smart. They can target multiple locations at once and destroy whole buildings.
You could choose not to invade other countries.
No, you can choose to collaborate or you can shut it down.
Collaborators don't get to point back in time and say 'oh we had no choice', even if the choice was a painful one. Sorry it does not work that way.
And you can't shut it down anyway. The government will just nationalize it and keep it running. As long as you're the one in charge, you can at least throw a few hidden obstacles in the way, like dragging out legal processes.
You can pretend at being ethical and moral as long as there is no price to pay, but when the time comes that it matters there will always be a price tag. Whether you are prepared to pay or not is what defines whether you are ethical or just pretending.
Company execs make decisions, employees make decisions, everybody carries a part.
"At the core of fascism is loyalty to tribe, ethnic identity, religion, tradition, or, in a word, nation." - Jason Stanley
Also, a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.
If it doesn't sound like something in the control of a single individual company, perhaps you have something distorting your hearing.
A datacenter is filled with server racks that wouldn’t burn as readily as cardboard. The fire videos I see of this datacenter don’t look as good as the Wildberries videos.
That said, I wish the Russian people good luck with booking their taxis and Yandex employees luck with finding RAM.
Their Kazakh regions are available according to the dashboard, so it isn't as catastrophic.
Their managed DBs and data processing services are heavily affected though with no Kazakh redundancies from the looks of it.
If what you deduct were correct, Yandex would not be telling its customers to switch to competitora like VK Cloud. They even have a "priority onboarding code" called "CloudBro" for three competitors.
("Ept" and "suka" are two other swearwords, that are also used much like punctuation.)
If so, it isn't particularly surprising that the line would go down.
EDIT: yes, it is. Looking at the same graph for all of Russia, and there's no discernible pattern:
https://radar.cloudflare.com/bots/ru?dateRange=7d
same for the 48h view:
https://radar.cloudflare.com/bots/ru?dateRange=2d
I'm not talking about a single comment or thread here, but a clear repeated pattern. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and fix this.
If you want to keep posting to HN, please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stop doing these things.
No one runs opinion/malicious bots from data center IPs that people mention here.
Did people actually stop thinking?
All it shows is direct traffic against CF infrastructure.
> from one Yandex data center ASN
This is only one of two extant Yandex ASN, not an ASN specific to one geographic region/datacenter.
https://www.peeringdb.com/net/1751
The other one is this: https://www.peeringdb.com/net/20950
And the 200350 also shows a near complete drop off in bot activity:
https://radar.cloudflare.com/bots/as200350?dateRange=7d
There is Hetzner for that.
...it's fucking datacenter, obviously it runs more than just "crawler bots"
The person in question doesn't exhibit much of it, but one will also learn when skimming to identify certain grammar and sentence structure characteristics that can point to what is the first language of a person, even if they're writing in fluent English.
Anonymity is gone from internet for some time.
https://www.businessinsider.com/soda-vs-pop-map-2012-7
UPD Definition of bot traffic from Cloudflare's glossary:
>Bot vs. human traffic
>The percentage of HTTP requests classified as bot versus human, based on bot scores. Requests with a bot score between 1 and 29 are classified as likely automated (bot), while requests with a score of 30 or above are classified as likely human. For more information, refer to Bot classes.
>By default, Radar shows bot vs. human traffic for requests to HTML content. This filter is meant to represent traditional web traffic by excluding API calls, asset requests (images, scripts, fonts), and other machine-to-machine requests.
https://developers.cloudflare.com/radar/glossary/#bot-vs-hum...
https://developers.cloudflare.com/bots/concepts/bot-score/
It looks like the majority of online bot traffic is coming from cloud vendor networks, which isn't surprising to me. But it makes me think that the "bot share by location" chart is more useful as a "which cloud vendor has bad bot control" chart vs. a "where is bot traffic coming from" chart.
For additional strikes or to upgrade to ICBM-based payloads, you'll have to contact them to set up an enterprise plan.
https://radar.cloudflare.com/traffic/as12876
Nvidia tried to pay off the Russian Anna's Archive for stolen data:
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell...
It would not be a surprise if similar deals have been reached with Yandex.
But this is a nice demonstration by Ukraine that all our internet problems are caused by large data centers, wherever they may be located.
https://radar.cloudflare.com/bots
While not necessarily related to bot traffic, but I was thinking that in the age of AI perhaps we'll be comparing technological development of countries based on their usage of AI per capita (similar to what we have with electricity usage per capita).
Pretty benign AS as far as actual exploit or malicious crawling is concerned.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=ericpauley
It's hard to go to war now when your enemy can just use a few small drones to take out everything your citizens care about in a single day (social media, online deliveries etc).
And these things are practically irreplaceable in a war when you're sanctioned up the wazoo. Where are you buying racks of Xeons and DDR5 RAM and Nvidia GPUs?
(I’d welcome a data center and oil infrastructure targeting specific fund)
https://www.peeringdb.com/net/1751
https://cofense.com/blog/how-cloudflare-services-are-abused-...
https://www.heise.de/en/news/Report-Cybercriminals-use-Cloud...
Or maybe they would just want to get rid of the competition.
I am pretty damn sure that whatever Putin is doing these days is in no way motivated by an adherence to the Marxist-Leninist way of life.
Lenin tried to paint kulaks as bourgeois en lieu of actual target, and had to modify Marxism heavily to make things fit. Stalin certainly managed to industrialise much of the USSR, so fulfilled that end. Yeltsin-Putin Russia has created an actual bourgeois state, maybe allowing a workers' revolution to take place for real next time.
Or sort of. In reality, Marx was not an infallible prophet. He did not anticipate artificial intelligence or its consequences, genetic engineering, broadcast media or a host of other things. History has not followed all of the paths he suggested.
Monolithic indeed.
The point is that condemning a war in the ME is meaningless, because these powers do not want the war to stop, they just don't want it to be so blunt. They prefer economic strangulation, sanctions and demonization, they want it to be slower and less visible, obscured behind bureaucratic language, with its victims dispersed across societies, consequences unfolding over years and decades, violence concealed, and architects decentralized because it is not a crime of a man, be it Putin or Trump, but a crime of a system where no true accountability can take place. They do not need to bomb every school themselves, but rather enable minor military operations, undermine political and economic stability, and support policies that destroy a society's ability to survive. And the dozens of millions of excess and direct deaths due to these policies are meaningless, right? After all it's the school that counts - those girls had names, faces, futures, and we are rightly appalled. But the millions who die through sanctions, deprivation, and the systemic destruction of their livelihoods, they remain statistics. I mean, can you imagine the public appalled over sanctions against Cuba - what a waste of time. That's not prime time news, and it will never be. Because the sanctions work.